Intro Date for the SX?

[Hughlysses]

I've seen posts from people who asked at the AIMExpo indicating "spring 2014" to "mid-2014". EBR has to build a LOT of bikes to meet the WSB homolgation requirements (see article here: http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wsbk...uperbike-2014/).

I wonder if this won't push back the date for the SX (and AX) as they concentrate on building RXs?

[Scott]

Well since they knew when they were at AIM (and probably for the past 3 years) how many bikes they needed for WSBK, I doubt that would change any plans.

BUT, it does seem like for the past few years we've been hearing dates that seem to slide back, I would expect that if the intention at this moment is to release the SX by early summer, that could get pushed back to fall or later, so I'll try to be patient.

[fast1075]

At the AIM Expo, two different EBR people told me "spring" 2014. But I suspect it means a "reveal", not units in the showroom, unless there has been a LOT more going on in East Troy than we know.

[Scott]

I've been checking out the latest 'naked bikes from Milan, and they seem like anything but naked to me.

I hope EBR can find a way to make something cleaner than these. They'r still covered with plastic bodywork - just less functional bodywork than an actual fairing.






I'm not sure if it will be possible with the radiator, but I hope the can do something that's at least close to the 12S (I was never a big fan of the CR)

[Doosh]

It's very difficult to cover up all the cooling and complexity of a modern motor to make a true naked. And, difficult to create an air-cooled bike of decent power EPA and CARB compliant. One could use stainless braided coolant hose and other things like that and make a true naked visually appealing, but it would cost a small fortune.

Had Buell not been killed off, I don't think the XB we knew was long for the world, anyway. It was going to need cats and all kinds of other emission control. I'd be happy to be proven wrong on this, but there's a lot of really odd hardware on modern bikes that's for nothing other than passing EPA tests. Gotta put that stuff somewhere.

[Scott]

It's very difficult to cover up all the cooling and complexity of a modern motor to make a true naked. And, difficult to create an air-cooled bike of decent power EPA and CARB compliant. One could use stainless braided coolant hose and other things like that and make a true naked visually appealing, but it would cost a small fortune.

Had Buell not been killed off, I don't think the XB we knew was long for the world, anyway. It was going to need cats and all kinds of other emission control. I'd be happy to be proven wrong on this, but there's a lot of really odd hardware on modern bikes that's for nothing other than passing EPA tests. Gotta put that stuff somewhere.

Yeah, the last thing I want to see is a Harleyesque attempt to hide the radiator. The Typhon is probably getting very close to what I'd like to see, but there's still something about it that I don't quite like but can't put my finger on it:



I just hope they stay as far from the tacked on plastic pieces of the BMW and Kawasaki as possible. I don't understand what they're thinking with those, but obviously they and other bike makers seem to think consumers can't handle naked bikes because they insist on tacking plastic crap on.

[Doosh]

I just hope they stay as far from the tacked on plastic pieces of the BMW and Kawasaki as possible. I don't understand what they're thinking with those, but obviously they and other bike makers seem to think consumers can't handle naked bikes because they insist on tacking plastic crap on.

They are thinking "How do we cover up this unsightly calamity of cooling hoses, air box and crankcase venting, and emissions control systems in a way that's economical to sell this bike at $15,000 - $18,000?

The Typhoon above has a $5,000 radiator, and a $2,000 race exhaust that's so loud it wouldn't pass an EPA drive-by test at a half mile, much less a few meters. You need not only an underslung can about 3x that size, you also need a side-mounted resonator and noise damper, like what the RS and RX use... Where ya gonna put *that* and keep the look?

[Hughlysses]

They are thinking "How do we cover up this unsightly calamity of cooling hoses, air box and crankcase venting, and emissions control systems in a way that's economical to sell this bike at $15,000 - $18,000?

The Typhoon above has a $5,000 radiator, and a $2,000 race exhaust that's so loud it wouldn't pass an EPA drive-by test at a half mile, much less a few meters. You need not only an underslung can about 3x that size, you also need a side-mounted resonator and noise damper, like what the RS and RX use... Where ya gonna put *that* and keep the look?

That looks like a set of stock RS radiators on the Typhon, but from what a friend of mine that used to be an engineer with a radiator manufacturer, they probably did cost $5k or more. The radiators on the RX are undoubtedly much less expensive (they're much easier to build). It might take a little more work to make them fit into a shroud like that and still look good.

Here's what you do with the supplemental resonator:


Complete article here: http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news...xhaust-patent/

According to the article, HD owns the patent, but maybe they'll let Erik use it or buy it back, or he can come up with another design that works just as well but circumvents the patent.

[Scott]

They are thinking "How do we cover up this unsightly calamity of cooling hoses, air box and crankcase venting, and emissions control systems in a way that's economical to sell this bike at $15,000 - $18,000?

The Typhoon above has a $5,000 radiator, and a $2,000 race exhaust that's so loud it wouldn't pass an EPA drive-by test at a half mile, much less a few meters. You need not only an underslung can about 3x that size, you also need a side-mounted resonator and noise damper, like what the RS and RX use... Where ya gonna put *that* and keep the look?

I don't find those things ugly. If they're functional, there's beauty in that function. It's the plastic bodywork that I find objectionable and I'd be willing to bet that the BMW and Kawasaki would look better with the bodywork removed. And I think even the Typhon would look better without that frame around the radiator.

[Doosh]

Here's what you do with the supplemental resonator:

That's a patent for patent's sake. Why put all that weight into the swing arm, AND have to figure out how to deal with a reliable hose to duct hot exhaust gas subject to suspension movement?