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Thread: Attaining over 200 WHP.

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    OK It would be nice, and I am sure is possible, to be able to create custom TC maps, similar to Bazzaz. The current TC is pretty useless for track.

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    I would like to be able to adjust the traction control map, like Bazzaz. It seems like that could be done through the ECU.

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    What about E85? Seems like you would be able to run a lot more advance and take full advantage of all of that higher compression ratio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkducati View Post
    What about E85? Seems like you would be able to run a lot more advance and take full advantage of all of that higher compression ratio.
    That makes sense in theory, but a lot is involved in changing over to E85 as i'm sure you know. higher-flowing injectors, beefier fuel pump, custom dyno tuning, ect. Not to mention, the undocumented 2nd and 3rd order effects of long-term use of E85 in an engine like this with valves and quench areas that are within extremely tight tolerances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rugbyguitargod View Post
    That makes sense in theory, but a lot is involved in changing over to E85 as i'm sure you know. higher-flowing injectors, beefier fuel pump, custom dyno tuning, ect. Not to mention, the undocumented 2nd and 3rd order effects of long-term use of E85 in an engine like this with valves and quench areas that are within extremely tight tolerances.
    All very true. I think with a little engine work you could really make it worthwhile though. Somewhere in the 15-16:1 compression ratio area would be insane. It would probably help keep the temperatures to a more realistic level too given that horsepower range.

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    I am out of my league in this particular forum - but I wonder if RS cams+ECU+race fuel is all you need to get there? It is my understanding that the RS motor and the RX motor are the same except for the cams and a couple of little parts like the exhaust etc. I also know there was an SX posted on the 1190 FB page that is supposed to be making 200 rwhp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jbaker229 View Post
    I am out of my league in this particular forum - but I wonder if RS cams+ECU+race fuel is all you need to get there? It is my understanding that the RS motor and the RX motor are the same except for the cams and a couple of little parts like the exhaust etc. I also know there was an SX posted on the 1190 FB page that is supposed to be making 200 rwhp.
    Doesn't the RS make less power than the RX/SX?

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    The RS was spec'd at 175 hp at the crank. Even with the thinner base gaskets, race exhaust and ecm, I don't think it went over 175 at the wheel. Most were maybe 170 that I'd heard of. Basically, the RX/SX makes 10 hp more everywhere. You might possibly get more on a race fuel mix, the numbers I've seen were on just regular pump gas, ie; 93 octane. 200 hp at the wheel is WSBK levels of power, so I'm thinking that bike in question that's making a claimed 200 hp is on a VERY generous dyno. I'd like for them to post video of it making those numbers, back to back with a stock setup making what they normally do at about 160 at the wheel, then run this special SX and show what it really makes. Even with a race fuel mix, I just don't see a stock motor 1190 anything making 200 hp at the wheel.

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    Here in Denmark we can get 99 octane pump gas. i wonder how much of a differance with the right tune that would make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DkRider View Post
    Here in Denmark we can get 99 octane pump gas. i wonder how much of a differance with the right tune that would make.
    DK- Europe and USA use different standards for the octane rating. Europe uses the RON (Research Octane Number) while the US uses the average of the RON and the MON (Motor Octane Number). For the same fuel, the US octane number will be lower.

    An article I found on-line explains it like this: "In Europe, the octane rating on the pump is simply the RON figure. America, by contrast, uses the average of the RON and the MON figures, called the AKI (anti-knock index). Thus, 97 octane “super unleaded” in Britain is roughly equivalent to 91 octane premium in the United States."

    I'm guessing your 99 octane fuel would be very close to our 93 octane fuel.

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