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Hey guys,
i joined the site site as I am performing Due Dilligence in preparation for a possible EBR1190RS purchase. The prices on these are getting down to what I have in my last bike (R1M) and the only thing really scaring me is spares availability of things like sprockets and brakes because I do see myself riding the thing semi regularly.
anyone know what is interchangeable on the bikes?
Thanks in advanced,
Dave
You probably mean RX not RS...
There are minor problems to look for but they really are minor. The bike you want for as super cheap as they are now may take a little maintenance. Search this forum.
A quick check of E-bay for whatever parts you're scared about will tell you how much and how easy they are to get.
JT sprockets for the 43-44 tooth conversion you should do ($30 and the OE chain fits) and many more aftermarket available. The front cush drive sprocket is still available from both EBR (still in business BTW) and LAP.
Brake disks are the same dimension as every Buell since 2003. You have a 5mm or 6mm choice from EBR. EBC and others make replacements if you don't want OEM. Pads for the ZTL-2 are available from everyone. A good street pad is the HH from EBC.
Lol, actually I did mean an RS :shock:.... I’ve wanted one since they came out but the timing was always wrong and they were just too expensive. I’ve almost got my R1M paid off and an RS can be bought for similar money to what my R1M cost, so i’m Thinking about taking the Plunge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooter
i contacted Liquid, they told me to contact EBR, didn’t get an answer unfortunately. They list a phone number, so I might have to go that route. Good to know on the brakes, I was a little worried as one of the magazines had a problem with warping and EBR told them it was a supplier problem-probably the case since I had never heard of any other EBR RX or SX’s having a problem.
i really want to experience this bike,... closest thing to a TZ250 streetbike I have ever sat on....
Lol, actually I did mean an RS :shock:.... I’ve wanted one since they came out but the timing was always wrong and they were just too expensive. I’ve almost got my R1M paid off and an RS can be bought for similar money to what my R1M cost, so i’m Thinking about taking the Plunge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooter
i contacted Liquid, they told me to contact EBR, didn’t get an answer unfortunately. They list a phone number, so I might have to go that route. Good to know on the brakes, I was a little worried as one of the magazines had a problem with warping and EBR told them it was a supplier problem-probably the case since I had never heard of any other EBR RX or SX’s having a problem.
i really want to experience this bike,... closest thing to a TZ250 streetbike I have ever sat on....
Looks like my previous post got caught in moderator approval-nope, I really meant the RS. Prices are down to about what my R1M cost and I might be willing to pay that bike off and pursue a loan for the 1190.
i just need to find out how supportable it will be. I’m not worried as much about parts failures as I am being able to get sprockets and brakes. I’m going to ride the snot out of it if I get one-I really want to experience this bike, it will probably be my last sport bike.
thanks for the reply!
Keep in mind the 1190RS is a race bike. A legitimate racing motorcycle. Never designed for street duty, but you sound like you know that:) Consumables are about the only thing I wouldn't worry about. Its a small (very small) group you'll be entering with very passionate people. This site is perfect for you as AF-1 knows a little something about them, lol.
I think they are ridiculously cool and I know they are capable of ludicrous speed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oApAdwuqtn8
Brakes, sprockets, clutch, all the same. The battery is not, it's EBR's own 26650 lithum 8-cell and which is no longer available, but you can have the cells replaced or have one made. The compartment area is so small it will not fit any (adequate) off the shelf batteries and basically needs to be the size of 8 (2x4) 26650 cells shrinkwrapped. There's a place called Speedcell that will make one or replace your cells, either for $200. You can replace the cells yourself but you'll need a spotwelder for battery cells and some copper sheet you'll have to cut. I'd recommend CTEK's lithium charger.
That being said, like Cooter wrote, it is everything else you need to be prepared for. Everything on the RS fits extremely, extremely tight. If you don't put painter's tape along the bottom edge of the airbox cover when taking the tail off, you will scratch it. And even though it's only four bolts, the technique for reinstalling the tail takes some practice as the undertray's lip needs to go inside before you can fasten it down, and can only be done at a certain angle. Sometimes I get it like nothing and other times it takes a while, but I have it down pretty well nowadays. The tail needs to be removed to access the battery, fuses, coolant cap, electonics, etc.
To give you an idea how tight everything fits, you can remove the mirrors and unlock all its quarter-turn fasteners and nothing will move. It needs to be pulled apart. It is actually easier to take the side panels off while still attached to the front fairing, just remove the mirrors and undo the side's fasteners (after removing the belly pan obviosly) and slide eveything off the front. If you try to remove and reinstall just one side panel, you again will need painters tape and a lot of paitence. Even when reinstalling the frontend as a whole, it still takes some finesse to get the radiator shroud's outer lip to go back inside the side panels.
Also keep in mind the current market for the RS is, well there isn't one, so if you decide to sell it, you're probably going to have a tough time unless you want to lose good money. This may change in the years to come, but for now, it is what it is. And also keep in mind, it does not have traction control, and is the quickest superbike in the world without it. I would not recommend an RS unless you are extremely passionate about them. If you have a shop do your work, I would be very, very cautious.
That all being said, it is my favorite bike on the planet, and in my opinion, the best & most beautful bike ever made. I've had mine further apart than I ever thought I would and I've learned quite a bit along the way. So if you aren't just infatuated and really do fall in love with one, feel free to message me about absolutely anything and I will help you the best I can. If you are more casual about it, I would highly recommend an RX or SX - both absolutely amazing, beautful, world class bikes, and a lot more street and user friendly. I still love those more than any other brand's superbike. My RS and SX are going to be with me for life, and I hope to add a Midnight Black RX someday too.
Thanks for the post, I got a reply from EBR essentially saying I would just have to compare part numbers so what you gave me is useful. LAP referred me to them, sounds like they are just liquidators, which is to be expected. I live in Michigan, so a trip to LAP in Grand Rapids isn’t a big deal to see the bikes but I’m also aware of a very low miles bike with the magnesium wheels for less money... and it’s only .5% higher in interest rate....Quote:
Originally Posted by EBRRider
Back in the day, I owned a Bimota SB8R right around one of the times they closed. Throttle cables were a one month wait etc. and bodywork was $5k. I see these bikes being like that from a support standpoint. I’m the kind of guy that can RTFM and put things back together with no extra screws left over, so working on the bike doesn’t scare me too much. I have carbon composites experience as well if repairs were needed or if I needed to make a mold to make new parts. I’m a tool and die maker by trade and build automated machinery so making parts, pretty much any kind of part is doable if the effort is warranted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooter
I get that these really aren’t streetbikes, if I bought one it would make the rounds at local bike shows and the occasional country loop with my riding group. Currently, I have 6 bikes and use the R1M only for the fast country rides, and it has taken a beating from the stones, birds etc. so I wouldn’t use much for that. I think I know what the riding experience will be like and I really want that.... enough to maybe stretch and make it happen...
Doug- Did these bikes come with any kind of manuals, or are/were service manuals available? I understand that the motors are something a good Aprilia mechanic can work on, i’m more concerned with torque values etc.. I understand about having a shop touch my bikes, I learned a long time ago that I can scratch a wheel just as well as an apprentice motorcycle mechanic, so why pay for the pleasure? I always try myself first if I think I can fix something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug Porcaro
Speaking of which, you mention traction control..... I successfully installed a Bazzaz TC/EFI/QS on my GSXR1000k5 and wouldn’t hesitate to do so again, but there is a better product on the market now. Diego Gubellini (electronics guy from Estrella Galicia MotoGP Honda Team) has released several versions of his GripOne piggyback TC units. The early ones were off of wheel speed only, then he started adding IMU’s (inertial measurement units, ie. Gyros and accelerometers) like my R1M has. Now, his latest and greatest uses no wheel speed pickups, only RPM and the IMU. All of these units are able to do launch control and separate anti-wheelie and TC strategies and learn sensitivity as you ride-they will allow you to rear wheel steer if desired like the modern production bikes with TC, i.e. they don’t work off of “dumb” slip target maps like my Bazzaz unit. All of that said, I don’t consider myself to be a really fast guy on a bike but I can ride hard enough to feel frame flex and get a bike to wiggle regularly. I hardly ever see electronic intervention (aside from wheelie control) on the R1M’s datalogger-you really have to screw up on a bike with a good chassis to see intervention from ABS or TC. I really like the electronic aids on the Yamaha, and they allow me to occasionally ride harder than might be otherwise prudent but the truth is I’m riding as fast as I want to now and at 46 years old with Adult Responsibilities, I’m not exactly chasing an AMA ride... I dunno, TC is cheap insurance and it saved me a highside once so maybe it’s worth putting on an RS..?
As far as market values go, I’m not too worried about purchase price since I have pretty much determined that it’s worth it to me, but I do understand trying to sell will be ...difficult... I had the same problem with the Bimota, I got laid off in a mini-recession around 9/11 here in Detroit and couldn’t give it away. I did everything I could to keep that bike, including taking a $10 an hour job slipping on frozen dog $#!+ while reading electric meters. In the end, I had to let the bank come and get their bike-an experience I’ll never repeat. I’ll be selling the Yamaha to offset this bike if I pull the trigger.
So, here is my interest in an EBR1190RS: I have wanted one since I first laid eyes on the first picture I saw. I swung a leg over Serial #6 as well as Geoff May’s bike at Mid Ohio. The stock RS feels more like a TZ250 than any bike I have ever sat on. Sometimes you just know when something is exceptionally special, and that is the feeling I get from this bike. I love the story, I love the Engineering, I love the execution, and I really want to experience the way this bike handles transitions, line change mid corner, hard braking, coming off of an apex etc. I half wouldn’t care if the thing spent it’s life in my living room... Unfortunately, $50k for a bike was out of the question for me when they came out. I wanted to support EBR but I had just bought a house and probably still wouldn’t have pulled the trigger due to the cost. I did consider an RX and SX but after the Bimota experience I couldn’t buy them-every time I “needed” a new bike, EBR was out of business again.
If you wouldn’t mind, please PM your phone number-I’d love to talk to you about your bike!
Thanks for the post!
Well, you do sound genuine.
If you're not competing or looking to go super hard then I wouldn't worry about TC, the power is predictable. I just say that because there's some people who get used to it and form a dependence. But if you did want something, an RPM-based system is needed as there's no wheelspeed sensor on the RS.
And yes, there is a manual as well as chassis and engine parts lists / diagrams with torque values and sequences and whatnot. I have them all electonically and could send them to you.
And sure no problem, PM'd!
That's a great read, Dave. Your passion is in the right place here. The vast majority of us Buellers feels the same about out bikes (but our wallets vary drastically, haha). Much different from owning any other bike.
Doug is super generous with his time. You two should hit it off:)
yeah, Doug was great - we spent about two hours on the phone and I learned a lot. Real Top Bloke, that Doug guy..Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooter
I appreciate it! Good luck!
I own one and race it. Most parts can still be sourced from EBR/LAP. I will say however street riding will not be ideal. Like others have stated, this is a race bike with lights. It gets hot quick and does not like to run below 6k rpm. That being said I love mine and will continue to race it as long as I can.
Bet y'all can't guess what I'm picking up tomorrow morning.......
2013 Serial Number 7 is mine! I believe this is Doug's bike's younger brother!
Just got back from a short, cold test ride and I got on with it really well considering I haven't been on a bike 5 months and I couldn't feel my hands much. Total enthusiast's bike, not much I plan to change right now other than a quick shifter and I may see if I can 3D print a slightly more aggressive throttle cam as I seemed to really have to wind it on to keep the chassis under load out of corners. I was really surprised at how insensitive the throttle is from closed, it's a very friendly engine. And fast.
Again, short ride, cold, and still cautious of my bum shoulder, so take my observations of the front end with a grain of salt..... It wasn't as light as I expected, but was laser accurate and you can make mid-corner line changes at will. Part of this is that the clip-ons are narrow and don't have a ton of leverage, and the bike has a shorter reach than I'm used to so I was using my bum shoulders to steer it any time I wasn't in a tuck. It has 80% of the midcorner chassis stability of my Yamaha but doesn't steer like a truck. Overall very pleased with the handling. Didn't get to work the brakes very hard and feel the lever out, partially because it just wasn't a day to really haul ass, but because the compression braking so so strong. I had several corners that I had to open the throttle on the way in because it was so strong on compression braking. This is something I wanted badly after I got my Yamaha because it sails into corners like it is free-wheeling, now I've got it in spades and don't have to run super low gears to match my riding buddy's pace without dipping the brakes into corners and scaring the guy behind me-our rides are always at the edge of what I can get out of a tank so not having to run along in 4th and 5th to make sure I don't run out of gas will be nice.
I have so many things running thru my head right now it's difficult to type them up.... this ride was like a hot first date,... a little awkward at first then a lot of heavy breathing and sweat followed by disappointment that it was over.
Tomorrow though..... no gloomy overcast and a few more degrees!
Can't wait!
Congrats man! Happy to have another EBR on the road and not just on display:) Your Yamaha is a little better mid-corner, and the brakes are a little better too, but all this is at pro-level of riding. She's a beast and should be treated as such:loveface:
Congrats man! show us a pic of that beast.
Gotta help the girlfriend's ingrate son move, then I'll transfer my pics from the phone to this computer....
Well, I tried-the uploads failed when I tried to attach to this post. I'll have to figure a work around-I don't currently use a photo hosting site...