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Need4speed
11-09-2015, 11:58 AM
Is the Buell 1125R and EBR 1190RX oil filter the same filter?
HD Part Q1064.1AM or K&N KN564 for Buell 1125R

The K&N site does not show anything for the EBR 1190RX even though they show a pull down for EBR but nothing is populated. I am not sure if that is because they do not have a filter because it was not the same as the 1125R or if EBR went belly up before the specification were provided.

AF1 Racing has the HighFlo HF564; numbers looks much like K&N number.

On Bad Weather Bikers I got mixed statements. Gemini said yes they are the same and JDugger indicted that the parts are not the same.
http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/713493/739555.html?1400523693


Any help on this would be great.

Slickit
11-09-2015, 12:06 PM
Yea I remember reading somewhere that you shouldnt use the K&N for the 1125 on the 1190 as the flow was not high enough. Wish I could remember where, either here, buellxb, badweb or FB not sure.

Mike
11-09-2015, 12:15 PM
Yes.
I bought a BUNCH of OEM filters back when Harley knocked Erik out the first, time for my CR. The CR's been laid up with a cam problem that I haven't gotten to (..!) yet, so changing the oil in my RX has been completed with the old stock of factory filters.
Fit is the same as it is on the 1125 engine.
So any filter marked for the 1125 engine, is the same for the 1190 engine.

Mike

Doosh
11-09-2015, 01:19 PM
I'm a little suspicious of the 1125 vs 1190 filter arguments. I see them as the same.

Change them often enough and none of this matters...

oldtimerookie
11-09-2015, 02:27 PM
NCCR http://ebutik.nccr.se/ebr-erik-buell-racing-1/ebr-engine/ebr-1190-rx-sx-oilfilter-kn

Lists KN 564 for the EBR

I bought a KN haven't installed yet.

mackja
11-09-2015, 04:18 PM
K&N filter is the same for both, I just bought a half dozen of them, HD wants $34.95 for the filter kit, now that is crazy!!

Need4speed
11-10-2015, 06:47 PM
NCCR http://ebutik.nccr.se/ebr-erik-buell-racing-1/ebr-engine/ebr-1190-rx-sx-oilfilter-kn

Lists KN 564 for the EBR

I bought a KN haven't installed yet.

That is odd since the K&N site does not show any filter for the EBR.

Need4speed
11-10-2015, 06:49 PM
Thanks for all the comments. It seems to lean the direction I would have thought which is that both are the same. Looks like HighFlo and K&N are two good after market choices.

Doosh
11-11-2015, 09:04 AM
For what it's worth I've had more than one HF564 box contain a Rotax stamped filter...

snacktoast
11-11-2015, 11:24 PM
The 1125 filter and 1190 filter is exactly the same.
The RS came with a K&N from the factory.
The RX/SX used a media that was identical to the 1125.

The Hiflo is a cheaper version of the OEM with less pleats, so tread lightly on that option.

Edward G.
07-04-2016, 01:04 AM
So what oil filter can I buy for my 1190RX ?

zviadi
07-04-2016, 02:34 AM
I use HiFlo all my bikes - no problem.

buell-fan
07-04-2016, 08:39 AM
So what oil filter can I buy for my 1190RX ?

Inspect the pleats well where the glue into the top and bottom metal caps. I had 2 out of 5 filters with shoddy glue jobs, where unfiltered oil would flow past them. I have since switched to a reusable metal mesh filter by K and P Engineering. The S27 filter. It flows twice the oil as paper and is well built.

blackhawk
10-04-2016, 01:14 PM
Comparison from Buell # Q1064.1AM vs HIFLOW # HF 564
I quickly counted 59/60 pleats on both filters

Mike
10-06-2016, 02:39 PM
Just ordered (5) K&N filters myself. Be here this weekend.

Mike

blackhawk
10-18-2016, 08:41 PM
Mike ...
Any chance you could share pics of the filter media?
Since mine were 1125R filter and HI-Flows

Doosh
11-01-2016, 06:35 PM
JDugger indicted that the parts are not the same.
http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/713493/739555.html?1400523693


I did not. I was making fun of one of the moderators of BadWeb.

Kid Thunder
12-24-2016, 12:42 AM
Same filter as on the Aprilia/Spyder Rotax motors. On the Aprilia it is the long filter. The early models had a short filter which could be changed by using a later filter cover.

Mike
12-28-2016, 01:32 PM
Sorry, no pictures.

The HiFlow appears most like the OEM filter. I was told..?!.. that HiFlow made the original Rotax filters..!?...who in the real world really knows. As has been mentioned, the number of pleats are the same in all three, at least the one K&N that I counted.

One thing about the OEM/HiFlow vs. the K&N filters, the inner liner in the K&N filters have notably smaller holes in it for the oil to pass.
One thing to note here. Larger holes will flow more than a few more smaller holes will. But, I don't know what the count vs. diameter of holes is. If there are enough holes in the K&N, it could equal the larger holes in the other two filters. On the other hand...
If I feel the need, when I pull the K&N out of my RX...I may take it apart and start counting..!?

Mike

Kid Thunder
12-29-2016, 08:11 PM
Been using HiFlow for years on my Tuono with no complaints.

Mike
12-31-2016, 08:30 PM
Kid -

I love this type comment..!? How do you "know" that a non-OEM filter provides no changes in pressure from using an OEM filter ? You've installed a pressure gauge on your bike ? I think they should have them myself.

I don't know, does the Touno have an oil pressure gauge ? Do you actually "know" that there's been no changes ? Do you "know" that the oil pressure is the same as with...say the K&N ?

Yes, on the surface, the HiFlow "appears" the same as the Buell, OEM filter, or the maybe Aprilia in this case (I don't know what an Aprilia OEM filter looks like or who may have manufactured them), but since few, if any modern bikes have oil pressure gauges...I doubt that you "really" know.

Mike

zviadi
01-01-2017, 05:45 AM
I inserted a pressure gauge to check the oil pressure. I use HiFlo 564. On the Aprilia's Rotax motors, on Buells 1125 and 1190 used the same oil filters.
You're too serious about such trifles.
With these filters are no problems on the track at high loads, why them should be a problem during normal city driving?

Mike
01-01-2017, 12:04 PM
zviadi -

No, not too serious.
I just have a hard time with people that think that because something didn't "fail" when a particular change was made, that, that change is good or alright..! When in fact, something did (or could) change without actually causing some type of failure, that person "truly" does not know what may or may not have happened.

Having had a couple of race cars myself and have helped work on many friends race cars and motorcycles, and working in the Aerospace Industry, I know that small changes can do many things...from nothing positive OR negative to very positive OR very negative.
Without having some sort of actual form of measurement to fully understand what may have changed, one has any idea what actually happened...good, bad or no change at all.

So yes, in my own cars, bikes, helping others and at work, I need to know the...specifics of any changes that are made to the item we are working with to understand the whole.

Simple item - When you look at a tire on your car, bike, truck, airplane, etc., how do you "know" what the tire pressure is ? Just because it doesn't "appear" flat, does not mean that there is enough air in it to work properly. A modern day radial tire can "appear" properly filled with air, when in fact, it may only have 18 or 20 PSI...when it's supposed to have 32/35 PSI.

Hope that helps you understand my attitude toward not having "facts" on hand.

Mike

zviadi
01-01-2017, 12:20 PM
Tire pressure is selected by a manual it should be recommended by the manufacturer. It has a tolerance of +/-.
Many of those who ride on the track, the pressure is selected for his feelings.

With oil filter much easier - the size of the particles to be filtered and the ability to keep the pressure in oil system. HiFlo is good manufacturer. I had no problems with either the bike over 11 years of use.

Mike
01-01-2017, 07:16 PM
zviadi -

You aren't getting it..! The tire example is sort of a metaphor.

The key word is..."verify".
No one can verify anything by saying "it runs fine", not without...verifying...the given situation.

Mike

Kid Thunder
02-05-2017, 12:24 AM
Look, the HiFlo is a recommend replacement for the Aprilia motors. So I took their word for it that it is an adequate replacement.

Kid Thunder
02-07-2017, 12:17 AM
I also have over 65,000 miles without any oil related problems. That may not be a lot of miles in the scheme of testing but that's all I got.