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theycallmecrash
02-22-2015, 11:35 AM
Pretty happy with my new exhaust. No not the dumb tips, not the damn football field they call the race exhaust...

My new, Dean Adams ( www.deanadamsdesigns.com )
Sounds so good, hangs low and looks great. And compared to the other option, pretty decent price. Just needs to be partnered with your choice of tuning. Which is also in the works with Bazzaz hopefully soon, and power commander V. Results from tuning will be posted soon! And pictures once i figure that out

theycallmecrash
02-22-2015, 11:42 AM
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here is the picture

d_adams
02-23-2015, 07:30 PM
Image courtesy of DynoJet.

174 hp, 92 ft/lbs

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TiANDmg1190
06-05-2015, 08:28 AM
wow thats kinda ugly, I wish there was options like Termignoni or Austin Racing exhaust systems in titanium and carbon for this bike.

Classax
06-11-2015, 02:14 PM
I'm waiting to see what will happen once they come out of receivership. I already have the cash set aside to hang that piece of art under my bike, providing Dean can work out a reflash of my race ECU.

ljm
06-11-2015, 08:08 PM
Me too, just need it to be sorted because as much as I travel it has to work the first time or I will forget what I was doing.

d_adams
06-18-2015, 07:47 PM
wow thats kinda ugly, I wish there was options like Termignoni or Austin Racing exhaust systems in titanium and carbon for this bike.

Have you been on the Ducati 1299 forums and seen the austin racing reviews?

Plotter
07-11-2015, 01:22 PM
What are the Austin Racing Reviews like? Has anybody tried to get a group together to get in on a group purchase of this stuff? Generally you get better deals when they see the mass requests come in.

d_adams
07-11-2015, 08:49 PM
http://ducati1299.com/ducati-1199/12862-austin-racing-rest-story.html


Group buys scare me, I build these one at a time. When I hit a 6 week backlog, I shut down the ordering process on the web store.

Plotter
07-12-2015, 11:09 AM
What is the build time dean?

That post was from a guy with only a 1 post history... Not sure if I would trust that... I'll do some more digging. I'm intrigued with your product. I'll look more into that too.

I'm curious what the best options to put more HP to the wheel... I got my old 2012 ZX10R to 187 to the wheel...

Plotter
07-12-2015, 11:14 AM
Dean, is that stainless or titanium? Do you have options? This says slip-on in the description, but the picture above looked like a full system. Please provide more details...

d_adams
07-12-2015, 02:54 PM
It's stainless and connects to the stock headers, so it's classified as a slip-on. Did this with the power commander. Stock made 160, pc-v was 174. Without motor work, I doubt it will go much over that. I have the full programmable ecm and wideband setup on the way, so I'll be doing my own tuning on it in the following weeks. I believe they (dynojet) targeted 13.5:1 afr. I know for sure the 1125 motor needed a bit more fuel and EBR tuned my RT-3 to 12.8:1 afr and it made more than anything out there aside from the full exhaust system they sold.

I typically run a couple of weeks out, I think I am at about a 4 week backlog right now.

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Plotter
07-12-2015, 03:31 PM
Do you have any pictures of the exhaust with the plastics installed? How much of the can shows?

d_adams
07-13-2015, 03:38 PM
Oddly enough, this is the only one I can find at the moment. It's one of the early test fit pics.

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Plotter
07-13-2015, 03:54 PM
If you end up with any photos with a better shot of the bike, please post. Very interested to see.

d_adams
07-13-2015, 05:14 PM
I'll be putting it back on the bike in the next week for tuning with the programmable ecm and widebands, I'll get one then. It needs a bath in a bad way, so I'll probably wait until that's done. I've gotten caught in several downpours over the last couple of weeks and it hasn't been cleaned off because of those.

noone1569
07-13-2015, 08:47 PM
Ordered mine over the weekend. I need more power. . .

Plotter
07-15-2015, 07:48 PM
Nice... post some pictures when you get it installed

Plotter
07-25-2015, 09:32 PM
Purchased and ready to rock and roll... I just need the ECM from IDSPD now... Looking forward to the exhaust Dean

noone1569
07-27-2015, 08:47 AM
Purchased a power commander for Dean's pipe. Still hoping IDSPD does a tune for it.

d_adams
07-27-2015, 09:13 AM
The wiring is a bit of a pita, there's not much room under the airbox for any excess at all. I can see me crashing soon now with that display, the numbers on it are extremely bright blue. Looks frickin AWESOME when they're lit up.


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/f6lXZs-K3fmS5Ab65wDS3UzpqL-rxGfSeUUS4Yauf98=w1278-h959-no

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Svud4W_LttKMMPnbvR0IvSnrslReI1mbeukiKLWzs4E=w1278-h959-no

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/4qgBoc1OIpkyKtoZAKGCdPL4YGh-yUpUVUilihdgSB8=w719-h958-no

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/qoO0DAZjErolV0aKofs_CZero1tkkGGVHrSq21rrGsk=w719-h958-no

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/kas83xqZ54ggRT014nKndT5EZyzwk1_muJ7_clwLAlk=w719-h958-no

d_adams
07-27-2015, 06:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuD7KtoR-B8

noone1569
08-11-2015, 01:39 PM
Couple sound clips from the track this weekend with my Dean Adams Designs pipe

Sound clips:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B43KdTFTouFGbVRCeUtmMWJBRVYtUnZPLW5xQ1pmaG5Nc1dr/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B43KdTFTouFGeXFvOTRLOG5helhRWDRMU0ljbi1ScUZJQ21B/view?usp=sharing

Plotter
08-18-2015, 10:46 PM
Installed the Dean Adams tonight... I'm in rev heaven... That thing sounds like wake the dead, I'm freaking here... Love it...

Mandarblade
08-19-2015, 11:11 AM
Same here, I couldn't agree more, exactly the sound I was looking for, nice deep throaty rumble. I'm very happy that Dean posted on jumping the power for the pcv or I would have been stuck. Thanks Dean!

d_adams
09-15-2015, 05:58 PM
FYI, the race ecm will be done soon and is available to pre-order now.

http://ecommerce.deanadamsdesigns.com/product_info.php?products_id=41

buell-fan
09-15-2015, 06:55 PM
A few questions for you Dean... Is this going to be programmed specifically for use with your 1190 exhaust system? Can the end user hook up to a computer to see what the air fueI ratios are at in real time like on a dyno? Is it going to be reprogrammable by us or you to change the fuel and timing mapping? And would you consider a prepaid package deal with the unit and a new exhaust?

d_adams
09-15-2015, 07:22 PM
This one will be programmed to match the short 1190 RX/SX exhaust only. Most likely, if you want to spend the $$ for the programmable ecm, the map will be available to the exhaust owners. Currently they ship with 3 maps (stock, secondary delete and the hmf maps).

I am taking pre-orders on the ecm now, the exhaust has been available for some time. I have not put a package together as of yet, I may still do that at a later date. As I recall, EBR sold the hmf/ecm combo for $1400. I think hmf sells the pipe for considerably less.

Slickit
09-15-2015, 07:37 PM
Hey dean, I would love to see you have the ability to reflash an "unlocked" ECM for your map. If that were a possibility you could post a remapping fee if someone were to send you their ECM with the purchase of one of your pipes.

kneepucker
09-15-2015, 07:41 PM
HMF sells their exhaust for $850. Dont try and ask for a racer discount or anything, they are a little bitter about EBR not paying them......

oldtimerookie
10-26-2015, 11:07 PM
Hi Dean, any updates on the race ecm map for your exhaust?

Slickit
10-27-2015, 09:05 PM
I just asked Dean on the 25th of Oct about this and he said he had the latest iteration of the calibration with him now and he was testing it to send in the info for the map. He also linked this --> http://ecommerce.deanadamsdesigns.com/product_info.php?cPath=26&products_id=41&osCsid=ad571372d21194b176eae71c8412051a and said that, that would be the link for selling an ECM with a loadout for his exhaust,

Slickit
10-27-2015, 09:12 PM
sorry about the second post, i just went through this thread and saw something i wanted to clear up


This one will be programmed to match the short 1190 RX/SX exhaust only. Most likely, if you want to spend the $$ for the programmable ecm, the map will be available to the exhaust owners. Currently they ship with 3 maps (stock, secondary delete and the hmf maps).

I am taking pre-orders on the ecm now, the exhaust has been available for some time. I have not put a package together as of yet, I may still do that at a later date. As I recall, EBR sold the hmf/ecm combo for $1400. I think hmf sells the pipe for considerably less.
so Dean just to get one thing straight.. In order for us to get your exhaust and an ECM with a map specifically for your exhaust on the 1190RX/SX we will have to buy the pipes from you and a programmable ECM ($600) and cable ($70), not a "race" ECM ($300) that will be loaded with your map only? If so how well or safe would it be to use your exhaust with the secondary delete ECM? Or are there any other options in the future? Just trying to get it all straight.

d_adams
10-28-2015, 04:16 AM
sorry about the second post, i just went through this thread and saw something i wanted to clear up


so Dean just to get one thing straight.. In order for us to get your exhaust and an ECM with a map specifically for your exhaust on the 1190RX/SX we will have to buy the pipes from you and a programmable ECM ($600) and cable ($70), not a "race" ECM ($300) that will be loaded with your map only? If so how well or safe would it be to use your exhaust with the secondary delete ECM? Or are there any other options in the future? Just trying to get it all straight.

No. The programmable ecm is only required if you're going to be doing your own tuning. If you're buying the pipe/ecm combo and don't plan on any other changes, the $300 pre-programmed ecm will work. You can buy it from me or IDSPD. I listed it in my store to make it easier to get a single package, that's all. If you intend to switch back and forth between exhaust systems (mine, secondary delete, stock) then a programmable ecm would be needed.

There is a specific ecm for running the secondary delete, I have those also since I cut the stainless tubing myself and figured, once again, it's a package. IDSPD has the ecm, I just order them and then repackage it with the tips to make that kit, same as EBR did. No, mine are not an exact copy, the bend is a little different.

I'm always thinking of what to build next, but usually don't discuss what's on my mind. That said, I may have a Ducati 1299 show up here in either November or December for an exhaust build. The owner is in Afganistan and I don't know when he'll be back here in the states just yet.

oldtimerookie
10-28-2015, 10:05 AM
Thanks for the clarification Dean. Please let us know when your map is up and running. Any insight on how it's performing would be much appreciated. I personally would like the tunable version so I can change the gearing and keep electronics working properly.

But also, at laguna Seca they have a noise limit and some stock bikes are having trouble passing. Is there any way to get the tunable ecm with the following 3 maps

1. Stock bike, stock map
2. Stock bike, race map
3. Dean Adams exhaust / map

Also how will it work with any future maps that become available. Will we be able to purchase the map or download for free like dyno jet.

Thanks

d_adams
10-28-2015, 12:36 PM
It is my understanding that the programmable ecm will ship with 4 maps. Stock, secondary delete, hmf and mine. Updates to mine will be available as they get produced, it's currently on revision/calibration #135.

d_adams
10-28-2015, 12:42 PM
BTW, I've already spent well over $2500 of my own money just to make this happen.

Slickit
10-28-2015, 10:23 PM
we appreciate all your efforts Dean, I have only been hearing good things about your exhaust cant wait to get one of my own. My order should go in the week of the 17th of Nov.

oldtimerookie
10-29-2015, 08:20 AM
+1 on that, been saving up for a while. Lol it will be my Xmas present to myself

Mike
10-29-2015, 03:39 PM
The ECM ships with "one" map installed. There is no switch to make another map work, on the fly...
But, the other maps are easily "installed" into the ECM with your laptop connected. As is the alteration of anything currently within the ECM.

Mike

Slickit
10-29-2015, 08:00 PM
FYI the ECM is posted and ready.

https://www.facebook.com/Dean-Adams-Designs-245433732134499/

d_adams
11-08-2015, 07:53 AM
All of this is available throught the web store.

www.deanadamsdesigns.com/product_info.php?products_id=41
www.deanadamsdesigns.com/product_info.php?products_id=33
www.deanadamsdesigns.com/product_info.php?products_id=43

oldtimerookie
11-08-2015, 11:09 AM
Thanks Dean, already placed my order of exhaust + tunable ECM. Can't wait! In the meanwhile, if you ever do get a chance would love to hear about your experience building your map with idspd. Was the journey as you expected, are you happy with the results or is this going to be a ongoing project.

Owing a unique bike has its downfalls. I can't just Cruz ebay or Craigslist for parts. However on a big plus it's very rewarding for me to be able understand / share the journey folks have taken to bring me my bike + parts. Makes every ride more personal. I appreciate and enjoy the ride much more.

Thanks for all the hard work Dean

Slickit
11-08-2015, 02:00 PM
ditto

d_adams
11-11-2015, 07:38 AM
Finally got a chance to get to a reputable dyno shop, Cycle House Performance off of Watson Rd in St. Louis.
They've got a Bazzaz Principia dyno which apparently reads 15% lower than what Dynojet shows, so it's similar to a Superflo dyno in numbers. That said, it made 155.5 hp and 82.9 ft/lbs of torque. In Dynojet numbers, that equates to 178.8 hp and 95.3 ft/lbs of torque. As I recall, mine made 162/85 on a dynojet in stock trim. That dyno isn't available now, so eventually I'll have to put mine back to stock and take it to Cycle House again for a "stock" run.
Jerry (the owner of Cycle House) saw the air/fuel display on my bike and watched it at the end of the runs, it was reading 11.6:1 or so and he'd mentioned if I leaned it out up top I'd see another 5-7 hp easily since it was so rich. Well, there's a wrinkle to that. My bike was initially dyno tuned, but for the last couple of months, it's been ROAD tuned at speed, as in logged at whatever I was riding at. On occasion (more often than not) I did exceed the posted speed limits in an effort to capture valid data. Apparently the RAM air effect does work. The logs showed an AFR of 12.5-12.8:1, which is what I was after on the road. I guess what this means is, even though it shows as running extremely rich on a dyno, it's not rich while out on the road, and is potentially making even more power than what was observed on said dyno. It's possible I broke 183-185 hp, but without that forced air induction to prove it out, I guess I'll never really know for sure. I will say this, the bike was fast before, now it's even faster. Looks like it's a solid 10% gain in power from the exhaust and tuning. I'll take it.

DkRider
11-11-2015, 09:15 AM
Sounds promising :). So how dose this tune feel compared to the tune for the powercommander? better torque curve or any other differance. And how is it to tune on the race ECM

d_adams
11-11-2015, 04:39 PM
Relatively flat torque from 4000-11000 rpm. Essentially there's power everywhere, which is what I've been riding with for a while now. The tune was based on a target AFR of 12.5:1 to 12.8:1 so it could probably be massaged to squeeze out a little more midrange power and flatten it out even more.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-rCU_DG01nJM/VkOAecNOy5I/AAAAAAAAIcs/H54Iz2vpvKw/w1135-h851-no/15%2B-%2B1

oldtimerookie
11-14-2015, 09:06 PM
Looks very smooth, can't wait to test out.

mackja
11-17-2015, 05:32 AM
Dean have you had the opportunity to measure the decibel level of your exhaust. reason I ask is some tracks I go to have a decibel limit.

Thanks

Doosh
11-17-2015, 08:32 AM
some tracks I go to have a decibel limit.

That hasn't happened here in Texas yet, but I know it's coming. Getting under 100db at 10M off the track at full throttle isn't easy, but it's a target we should aspire to.

d_adams
11-17-2015, 11:57 AM
I have not tested the 1190 system for sound. It's VERY similar in volume/tone to the 1125 system I build though, that was 98 db at idle, 110 at 4500 rpm. I think they were only 3' away though when testing and did not do a ride-by. It didn't help that the exhaust was pointed directly at the mic when they tested, some systems were not built that way and appeared to be quieter when in reality they're not.

Classax
11-17-2015, 02:30 PM
they are a little bitter about EBR not paying them......
:spit:

d_adams
11-17-2015, 05:38 PM
Pre-programmed ecm & exhaust package.

www.deanadamsdesigns.com/product_info.php?products_id=47

Full programmable ecm (with the cable) & exhaust package.

www.deanadamsdesigns.com/product_info.php?products_id=48

oldtimerookie
11-17-2015, 09:26 PM
Laguna has a 90db limit on bikes. Anyone know how loud the stock pipe is? I've read the newer Ducati and R1 get black flagged cause of noise. Doing a track day there next week. Also Sonoma has a 103db limit, hopefully that won't be an issues with dean's exhuast. 110 at 4500 is very loud but can't imagine your exhuast being that much louder than all the other aftermarket exhuast out there. At the end it's all relative to how the noise is being measured. I know I won't be doing laguna days after the exhuast swap fingers crossed no issues at other tracks, Sonoma is only 1 hour away.

yzf29
11-17-2015, 09:56 PM
Environmental Noise


Weakest sound heard
0dB


Whisper Quiet Library at 6'
30dB


Normal conversation at 3'
60-65dB


Telephone dial tone
80dB


City Traffic (inside car)
85dB


Train whistle at 500', Truck Traffic
90dB


Jackhammer at 50'
95dB


Subway train at 200'
95dB


Level at which sustained exposure may result in hearing loss
90 - 95dB


Hand Drill
98dB


Power mower at 3'
107dB


Snowmobile, Motorcycle
100dB


Power saw at 3'
110dB


Sandblasting, Loud Rock Concert
115dB


Pain begins
125dB


Pneumatic riveter at 4'
125dB


Even short term exposure can cause permanent damage - Loudest recommended exposure WITHhearing protection
140dB


Jet engine at 100'
140dB


12 Gauge Shotgun Blast
165dB


Death of hearing tissue
180dB


Loudest sound possible
194dB

GJB
11-17-2015, 10:39 PM
Pretty much any bike can blow the 90dB limit at Laguna, if not with the pipes then the intake noise. Trick is to stay far left away from the sound booth, and keep RPMs low until clear

Doosh
11-17-2015, 10:47 PM
Also Sonoma has a 103db limit, hopefully that won't be an issues with dean's exhuast. 110 at 4500 is very loud but can't imagine your exhuast being that much louder than all the other aftermarket exhuast out there.

You will smoke that 103 limit easily. I have an RT-3 on my 1125r and it's easily the loudest bike in the entire paddock on race day. Nothing comes close.

Dean makes a good system, but really, *all* systems on these bikes are really, really loud. The D&D was notoriously obnoxious. Even the stock 1190RX exhaust is pretty loud when you are running it at track RPMs. Dean's new longer pipe with the rear facing vent would be the one to go with if you want it anywhere near stock loudness.

oldtimerookie
11-20-2015, 10:53 PM
Interesting, my exhausts on its way should have next week right before thanksgiving. I guess I'll find out for myself very shortly.

The track day providers say aftermarket exhausts are fine.

"Sonoma Raceway and Thunderhill (103dB): Tolerance for noise should not be a problem unless your exhaust system is defective. Bikes don't need numbers."

kneepucker
11-25-2015, 09:17 AM
Just ordered my Dean Adams race ECM this morning, getting excited to unleash the exhaust notes in the near future!

oldtimerookie
11-26-2015, 12:02 AM
Received my dean exhaust & ecm yesterday. Will hopefully be installing friday. Very excited

oldtimerookie
11-28-2015, 09:52 PM
Just installed dean's exhaust / tunable ecm. Not sure how to connect to the ecm, I have a cable but the box didn't include a cd with the software and didn't find it on their website either. On the box was written 'deans' so assuming it has the correct map on it. Any help would be appreciated if anyone knows what im missing.

Bike sounds amazing, very nice rumble, a bit too loud, im sure it will wake up the entire street every time I fire it up. The wife told me it made the house shske while I was running it in the garage, lol. I'll post a sound clip and how the tune is after I take it for a ride hopefully tomorrow.

d_adams
11-29-2015, 08:02 AM
Sorry about that, thought I had sent out the info to everyone that had purchased the programmable ecm. Check your email.
The cable connects under the passenger seat, the plug has a black rubber cap in it.

The latest calibration ends in 135, you can check it on the dash in the diagnostics page under "Software". If it shows up like this pic, there's no need to use the software until you're ready to make changes to it.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-cUvikxsVd88/Vlr3KdzAAJI/AAAAAAAAIhQ/KKCLaqueYlo/w1125-h844-no/15%2B-%2B1

oldtimerookie
11-29-2015, 11:52 AM
Thanks Dean, the link to download the PCM is what I needed. The ECM was loaded with the HMF Exhaust Map so I had to change it to yours. All good to go, just waiting for the weather to warm up a few more degrees this morning before taking it out for a spin.

d_adams
11-29-2015, 12:01 PM
I also just verified this, there are 2 calibrations available, one is for stock gearing, the other is for a 44-46 tooth rear sprocket.

Plotter
12-04-2015, 05:24 PM
Can you show side by side comparisons:
Stock
DAD with PC5
DAD with Race ECM

Betterbuell
12-10-2015, 06:53 AM
What is the take on the dual pipes on the primary headers , seen on the 1125rs ? I have a set but it is a fair job to drop the motor down to install the rear pipe ?

Ace117
01-29-2016, 02:43 PM
Dean quick question, will the full race exhaust for the RS work on the RX? I have one I bought back in 2012 for 1125 and im considering installing it on my RX. Thanks in advance.

RaygMcKee
10-04-2016, 06:01 PM
Dean, have you had any feedback about the exhaust mounting? I noticed that it's been blowing exhaust directly onto the swing arm and rear brake line. I'm worried about the brake fluid boiling during extended rides.

d_adams
10-05-2016, 01:47 PM
Dean quick question, will the full race exhaust for the RS work on the RX? I have one I bought back in 2012 for 1125 and im considering installing it on my RX. Thanks in advance.

It will work, but will require some custom fitting is my understanding. I only know of one owner that's done it and he said it is not a direct bolt on affair.

d_adams
10-05-2016, 01:49 PM
Dean, have you had any feedback about the exhaust mounting? I noticed that it's been blowing exhaust directly onto the swing arm and rear brake line. I'm worried about the brake fluid boiling during extended rides.

Rotate the exhaust clockwise some. The hanger bracket should be slotted and allow for some adjustment.

https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14102139_1308393049171890_2659039209698002856_n.jp g?oh=a0a487cafece02cc31ccfd9e2cf1b2af&oe=58616533

RaygMcKee
10-06-2016, 11:36 AM
Rotate the exhaust clockwise some. The hanger bracket should be slotted and allow for some adjustment.

https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14102139_1308393049171890_2659039209698002856_n.jp g?oh=a0a487cafece02cc31ccfd9e2cf1b2af&oe=58616533


Dean, messed around for a bit with the mounting but couldn't seem to get the 'dump' far enough out from the body to avoid exhaust spraying onto the swing arm and rear brake line. Made a little slash tip to fit onto the end just to get the exhaust directly around everything. Something to consider for future iterations. Here's pics ->
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d_adams
10-06-2016, 01:08 PM
Looks like the collector needs to shift (be pushed) a little more to the left, followed by rotating the muffler body clockwise about 10 degrees or so. Should give the angle required to clear without adding anything. These are all built on the exact same fixture every time and have been for the last 18+ months. I'll be building maybe 7 or 8 more here in the next 2 weeks, I'll put another one of those on and get more pics from different angles if you like.

SX_Bueller
10-06-2016, 05:08 PM
I dig that tip on there. I'm curious how it looks straight down from the seat, does the tip stick out far away from the swingarm?

Dean, would there be any down side to having the tip that far out? Is there any chance of it being hit by anything (swingarm, tire, ...)?

RaygMcKee
10-06-2016, 06:14 PM
I dig that tip on there. I'm curious how it looks straight down from the seat, does the tip stick out far away from the swingarm?

Dean, would there be any down side to having the tip that far out? Is there any chance of it being hit by anything (swingarm, tire, ...)?


Looks like the collector needs to shift (be pushed) a little more to the left, followed by rotating the muffler body clockwise about 10 degrees or so. Should give the angle required to clear without adding anything. These are all built on the exact same fixture every time and have been for the last 18+ months. I'll be building maybe 7 or 8 more here in the next 2 weeks, I'll put another one of those on and get more pics from different angles if you like.

Dean, looks like I just gave up too soon on adjusting the muffler and should have spent a little more time tweaking it into the right position.

SX_Bueller here's some other shots of the exhaust w/tip. Tried to keep it as flush looking without sticking too far out from swing arm. Clearance seems to be fine with no issues on rubbing the tire or swingarm.
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