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Ed / AF1 Racing
10-16-2014, 04:38 PM
we can pre-order these, and should have them around Nov 1.

Scott
10-17-2014, 01:17 PM
we can pre-order these, and should have them around Nov 1.

:thumb:

dmhines
10-18-2014, 08:23 AM
Order Placed for Race ECM/Exhaust kit .... :cheers:

Hughlysses
10-18-2014, 02:55 PM
Apparently they also have a carbon fiber front fender, rear hugger, heel guards, and fan inserts as well. Cory West posted a pic to Instagram showing an SX at AIMExpo featuring these parts.

Doug Porcaro
10-20-2014, 09:49 AM
This is great! I wonder why they didn't use an ECM with an EPROM chip?

Ed / AF1 Racing
10-20-2014, 10:18 AM
This is great! I wonder why they didn't use an ECM with an EPROM chip?

removable EPROMs are so old school, everything is flash based now. This also probably helps them with the EPA...."for race use only" wink, wink

Ed / AF1 Racing
10-20-2014, 10:19 AM
got them listed online now
http://www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodView.asp?idProduct=73830

http://www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodView.asp?idProduct=73831

Doug Porcaro
10-21-2014, 10:47 AM
Yeah, I'd just want to get rid of the stupid converter too. Hopefully someone will come up with a flash solution.

Or they could release an "even more race use only" system.

dmhines
10-21-2014, 12:52 PM
I don't mind the converter .. its under slung and reminiscent of the XB and 1125 exhaust.

Doug Porcaro
10-21-2014, 02:05 PM
I don't mind the way it looks, I mind its function. I always itch to eliminate emissions on any performance vehicle I own.

And yes I realize it's fast bone stock. Call me OCD if you must!

Classax
10-22-2014, 09:57 AM
My issue is that it HEAVY! I would gladdly keep the secondary resonator and quarterwave and loose the cat. I have a feeling I may wind up with this exhaust though because all the the RACE race exhaust that eliminate the cat are turning out to be way too loud.

Slowride
10-28-2014, 12:50 AM
Just ordered the tips/ecm for my 1190SX today. I heard them on an RX at the AIM expo and they sound SWEET! Looks a lot better IMO too.

dmhines
10-28-2014, 07:57 AM
I called EBR yesterday ... they expect the ECM/pipes to ship to dealers starting in Mid-November ... only available in silver ... I'll be painting mine black.

xr1000
11-14-2014, 02:26 PM
AF1 - can you share any dyno pulls you have with the ECM / pipe upgrade? I want to confirm no dips in TQ and HP curves. Picking up new RX within a week.

Classax
11-17-2014, 01:37 PM
Xr1000 congrats and you will have a BLAST!!!! Soon as mine arrives I'll throw her up on the dyno to see how the new maps looks!

Ed / AF1 Racing
11-19-2014, 02:40 PM
got the pipes in this morning....all orders are shipping today for these. Ordered an extra to put on our demo.

Gemini
11-19-2014, 10:09 PM
I got mine today from real performance motorsports. Will have mine on today by lunch. On dyno hopefully sat

Classax
11-21-2014, 07:50 PM
Thoughts after installing removing the resonator, and installing the race ECU, the bike now has that top fuel big block v8 irregular idle sound, and a deeper rumble than before. Its not stupid loud, but it definitely isn't quiet anymore. More on the power and fueling once we get it on the dyno and on the track. Definitely worth price of admission.

dmhines
11-22-2014, 08:31 PM
Got mine installed today ... I like it ...

So we know the Race ECU supports a Quick Shifter ... anyone know if it also disables the 'Noid ???

Classax
11-22-2014, 10:24 PM
Yes it disables the noid! Ditch the noid! 2.5lbs weight savings.

Flash Gordon
11-24-2014, 09:41 PM
Is there any difference in buying the Erik Buell Racing Exhaust Finish Kit with ECM online from America for use elsewhere ? Is the ECM different for other countries ?

Flash Gordon
11-25-2014, 12:07 AM
Ed, Sent email to info@af1racing.com but emails all returned ?? Is this address working ??

Ed / AF1 Racing
11-25-2014, 03:18 PM
Ed, Sent email to info@af1racing.com but emails all returned ?? Is this address working ??

yes, it working, and I just retested from several private emails I have @yahoo.com, @gmail.

Answered about 60 emails from that address so far today.

maybe try me direct at ed@af1racing.com and PM me the error message your servers are giving.

Flash Gordon
11-25-2014, 09:58 PM
yes, it working, and I just retested from several private emails I have @yahoo.com, @gmail.

Answered about 60 emails from that address so far today.

maybe try me direct at ed@af1racing.com and PM me the error message your servers are giving.

Here is the reply for both addresses. Seems to be your address only ??

This is an informative message sent by mailserver.shirtsnorth.local.

The server was not able to deliver your email message

Subject: ECM and Exhaust kit
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 12:46:54 +1000



to the following addresses:

<info@af1racing.com> (mail.af1racing.com: 550 5.7.1 <mailserver.shirtsnort
h.local>: Helo command rejected: Host not found)

Flash Gordon
11-25-2014, 10:00 PM
Ed, Her eis my question. Is there any difference in buying the Erik Buell Racing Exhaust Finish Kit with ECM online from America for use elsewhere ? Is the ECM different for other countries ?

Ed / AF1 Racing
11-26-2014, 12:14 PM
weird about the emails...I'll have to investigate further

on the ECM....not 100% sure, I'd think it would be the same worldwide, but not sure if they changed anything up for the different fuels in use. EBR does have Australian supply channels and Australian EBR dealers they probably want you to use. Are they not selling the exhaust kit yet?

pytalkamus
12-04-2014, 11:15 PM
Has anyone installed the clutch effort reducing parts yet? It would be nice to lighten the heavy clutch, but I'd like to have some idea of how big of a project this is and if it's worthwhile.

Classax
12-20-2014, 02:58 PM
http://www.powerbronzeusa.com/searchByBike.aspx?freeText=EBR%201190RX Still more accessories coming online now...

pytalkamus
12-21-2014, 02:13 PM
http://www.powerbronzeusa.com/searchByBike.aspx?freeText=EBR%201190RX Still more accessories coming online now...
Thanks for the post! Does anyone know if anyone is making/selling carbon fiber huggers, chain guards, etc.? I've seen the stator and clutch covers, but that's about it so far.

1190DRUSS
12-24-2014, 02:26 PM
Agreed, 1190 def needs a new pipe. Get rid of the catalyst, etc. My dealer says one is on the way. It will be a full pipe though. From the heads down. Till then I put the tip/ecm conversion on. It is fantastic! Power increase of ~5%-7% and the sound is awesome. Great look as well. Both tips are open so the ECM is compensating for loss of resonator. Torque is same if not better.

Russellsturgis
01-19-2015, 08:36 PM
Has anyone installed the clutch actuator kit? PART NUMBER X3086.1B7 In particular was it easy, or challenging? Was it worth the time and money? Any adverse results?

pytalkamus
01-26-2015, 09:58 PM
Has anyone installed the clutch actuator kit? PART NUMBER X3086.1B7 In particular was it easy, or challenging? Was it worth the time and money? Any adverse results?
I asked my dealer if they've installed this kit on anyone's bike yet and they haven't. They estimated between 1 and 2 hours for them to install everything. I'm assuming the parts will be stock on the 2015 EBR's, so I think I'm going to wait until I can feel the clutch on a new model before I decide to install it on my 2014.

Classax
01-27-2015, 07:12 AM
Its so funny that so much of the feel of the Buell/ EBR controls seems to be hearken back to the " let's use them as entry drug to HD" days. Anyone who has ridden any HD's much, particularly the 80's 90's circa bikes, wouldn't even notice the clutch pull on the EBR and consider the feel of brakes with their lack of initial bite to be just right.

Von
01-27-2015, 11:25 PM
Its so funny that so much of the feel of the Buell/ EBR controls seems to be hearken back to the " let's use them as entry drug to HD" days. Anyone who has ridden any HD's much, particularly the 80's 90's circa bikes, wouldn't even notice the clutch pull on the EBR and consider the feel of brakes with their lack of initial bite to be just right.

Compared to an 86 FXR the clutch on this is light! After raging all that in the press then test riding, I kept thinking that those journalists must have never ridden a big twin without a hydraulic clutch

Speedy13
01-29-2015, 02:43 PM
I installed the kit in my RX and it took about an hour and 20 minutes. The pull was reduced from approximately 35lbs to 25 lbs. Still way more than my XB, Dyna or RS1200. If you get stuck in traffic you will appreciate it. We are installing the kits in the bikes we have on the floor at MCC in Villa Park,Il.

mackja
01-29-2015, 05:07 PM
Finally got my quickshifter set up, works awesome!!

333

dmhines
01-29-2015, 07:19 PM
I installed the kit in my RX and it took about an hour and 20 minutes. The pull was reduced from approximately 35lbs to 25 lbs. Still way more than my XB, Dyna or RS1200. If you get stuck in traffic you will appreciate it. We are installing the kits in the bikes we have on the floor at MCC in Villa Park,Il.


Does the oil need to be drained to remove the cover and install the parts ???

mackja
02-01-2015, 07:54 PM
With the bike on the side stand you won't need to drain the oil, you will have a little dribble out when you remove the cover, but not much. If you use a bench or rear stand then you will need to drain the oil.

dmhines
02-02-2015, 03:44 AM
With the bike on the side stand you won't need to drain the oil, you will have a little dribble out when you remove the cover, but not much. If you use a bench or rear stand then you will need to drain the oil.

thanks!

dmhines
02-08-2015, 07:50 PM
Was a nice day in Georgia .. and took my Ducati Monster for a ride for the first time in a while. The clutch pull is so nice and light .. that I just had to order the EBR clutch actuator kit and see if I can get the RX close to my Monster EVO .. AF1 has it in stock.

dmhines
02-12-2015, 02:04 PM
FYI .. here's whats in the clutch kit ...

http://pics.dmhines.com/buell/ebrclutch.jpg

Classax
02-12-2015, 06:28 PM
FYI .. here's whats in the clutch kit ...

http://pics.dmhines.com/buell/ebrclutch.jpg
Thanks, would it be too much trouble to ask you to post up the work instructions I'm sure they sent with it. I haven't really been bothered by the clutch pull but if its easy to do, I figure why not.

dmhines
02-12-2015, 09:35 PM
Thanks, would it be too much trouble to ask you to post up the work instructions I'm sure they sent with it. I haven't really been bothered by the clutch pull but if its easy to do, I figure why not.

If you email Adam he will send you the instructions. That's what I did pre purchase. It looks fairly simple. Info@ebr.com

Basically remove clutch line from cover. Remove cover and replace actuator. Remove 6 clutch springs and replace with new springs. Button back up and bleed clutch.

Classax
02-18-2015, 09:08 PM
Finally got my quickshifter set up, works awesome!!

333 I assume that that is the 4-113 normally open pull type switch? Where did you get the pins for the side stand switch connector?

zviadi
02-19-2015, 01:59 AM
Is it possible to have EBR 1190 diagnosis of a motorcycle in the event of faults without an authorized EBR-dealer and specialized programs?
In Russia only one dealer and he is in Moscow. I live in St. Petersburg - is more than 650 kilometers. I'm not going to visit it.
Am I able to independently install aftermarket exhaust and a new ECU without dealer? Is it possible to do simple operations, such as resetting the throttle or reading errors?
Is there some service manual for EBR? Does Eric sells software from this motorcycle?

Now I have Aprilia DD1200 and KTM 990 Super Duke. I only plan to replace both at EBR 1190.
Without Aprilia dealer it would be very difficult, although the dealer is stupid and incompetent. Situation with KTM is better than situation with Aprilia, but to change the injection map will still need a dealer ...

dmhines
02-19-2015, 10:36 AM
The EBR Exhaust kit with the ECM is a self install and includes the directions .. there is no need to visit a dealer.

Ed / AF1 Racing
02-19-2015, 02:03 PM
The EBR Exhaust kit with the ECM is a self install and includes the directions .. there is no need to visit a dealer.

yep, all true. Plug-n-play easy.

I'll add all the fault codes are stored in the dash, and can be reset thru the dash

There is no diagnostic software or cables.

zviadi
02-20-2015, 12:55 AM
I would like something like this:

http://www.erikbuellracing.com/store/models/1125cr/programmable-ecm-software-and-cable-kit.html

Too bad that such software is not at EBR1190...

dmhines
02-20-2015, 07:24 AM
I would like something like this:

http://www.erikbuellracing.com/store/models/1125cr/programmable-ecm-software-and-cable-kit.html

Too bad that such software is not at EBR1190...

What would you do with it? Full diagnostics are built into the Dash .. you can monitor everything from coolant temp, to TPS%, fan voltage, to AFR ratio right on the screen. You cannot program the ECM however - but not sure if you would want to.

The only complaint I have to EBR is you cannot monitor the ECM inputs and readings while bike is moving .. it automatically goes back to speedo display.

zviadi
02-20-2015, 07:48 AM
With soft it would be possible to change fuel maps...

Can be reset throttle valve without a dealer? EBR have "ride-by-wire" or not?

dmhines
02-20-2015, 08:21 AM
TPS reset doesn't need software and can be done at Key On. Everyone has pretty much agreed that messing with the Fuel Maps is probably not a good idea. But you are correct ... there currently is no tuning software I am aware of. You can run either the stock ECM or the Race ECM at this point.

zviadi
02-20-2015, 08:40 AM
Ok, thnx!

Ed / AF1 Racing
02-20-2015, 04:29 PM
no ride by wire

zviadi
02-23-2015, 01:30 AM
Thanks, Ed!

Ed / AF1 Racing
03-03-2015, 11:43 AM
EBR is going to goodwill the clutch effort reducing parts on all the 2014 bikes. They will pay the install labor at an official dealer too. Contact your dealer for more info, and to get the part installed.

If you already bought the kit, please contact the dealer you bought the parts from for a refund procedure. If you paid labor at a non-EBR shop, that labor cannot be refunded.

dmhines
03-03-2015, 02:27 PM
I got my clutch kit refund from AF1 already ... thanks AF1 !!

zviadi
05-26-2015, 02:24 PM
Can't find on AF1 clutch kit and exhaust kit with the ECM. They disappeared from sale due to the bankruptcy of Eric?
Actually, as is now the case with consumable parts on this bike? Brake/clutch levers, clutch disc, brake pads - all that really buy?

zviadi
06-21-2015, 03:27 PM
How does the behavior of the motorcycle during the installation of a racing ECU? It becomes more power the engine comes to life at the bottom or at the top?
Does it make sense to buy a racing ECU drive in the city? Standards of noise I do not care.

Classax
06-21-2015, 08:10 PM
Race ECU smooths out the power and was good for like 4hp with the tips. It reduces engine braking and activates the quick shifter capability. It's a must buy!

Mike
06-21-2015, 08:17 PM
Funny thing about that...NOT CURRENTLY AVAILABLE..!
Both ignition timing and fuel maps are changed. More than power, drive-ability are better thought the RPM range...or I was told by Adam from EBR..!

Guys in Sweden are supposedly trying to build some, but so far...no luck.

Mike

snacktoast
06-21-2015, 09:04 PM
Both ignition timing and fuel maps are changed. More than power, drive-ability are better thought the RPM range...or I was told by Adam from EBR..!

Mike

That is 100% correct.

Von
06-21-2015, 09:52 PM
Dean Adams has been in contact with the manufacturer of the ECU's for Buell, and, possibly, may be able to sell combo packs of ecu/exhaust at a date in the future. Possibility of adjustable ecu's as well

zviadi
06-22-2015, 07:03 AM
How much reduced engine life after the installation racing ECU?

Mike
06-22-2015, 08:12 AM
Actually, if the ignition timing is "increased" as in the original "race" ECM, and the fule mapping is increased to meet the engines demand, the engine will be much happier for it.
The (US) EPA mandated "low" ignition timing is actually kinda hard on the engine with the extra, unnesessary heat buildup in lower and mid range rpms.

So live longer...?...but happier, run better, yes.

Mike

zviadi
07-17-2015, 05:18 PM
He found such a chart measuring power and torque SX with stock and racing ECU, taken by me from this forum:

452

According to this graphs, the difference between the stock and race ECU 1PS and 2 Nm. And those in the upper rpm range, which does not help me out of the race track. And this difference can be safely attributed to the dyno measurement error (5%)
What is more important - the graph of the mixture in the case of a racing ECU watch more enriched fuel mix since 4800 rpm and up to the cutoff.

In this case, I do not see the point of spending money on a race ECU for 6 pounds. In addition to increased fuel consumption, it will do nothing. What kind of a smooth power supply in question, if both graphics are identical, except for the little things, and the overflow of fuel?

Plotter
07-17-2015, 05:47 PM
That was on the SX and not an RX, correct?

zviadi
07-18-2015, 04:11 AM
It does not matter - the same engine and transmission.
My dyno with stock ECM:

453

It coincides with independent measurements of journalists and the above schedule.

Schedule of the article, comparing the Panigale and EBR1190:

454

http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/06/25/ebr-1190rx-vs-ducati-1199-panigale-superbike-comparison-test-review-video/

Plotter
07-18-2015, 08:36 AM
I ask that because the gearing should be different. I know that won't affect the HP, but it should affect the torque... Just wondering...

Plotter
07-18-2015, 08:40 AM
455

This is with the Dean Adams exhaust and a PC5

Plotter
07-18-2015, 08:43 AM
From Dean:
It's stainless and connects to the stock headers, so it's classified as a slip-on. Did this with the power commander. Stock made 160, pc-v was 174. Without motor work, I doubt it will go much over that. I have the full programmable ecm and wideband setup on the way, so I'll be doing my own tuning on it in the following weeks. I believe they (dynojet) targeted 13.5:1 afr. I know for sure the 1125 motor needed a bit more fuel and EBR tuned my RT-3 to 12.8:1 afr and it made more than anything out there aside from the full exhaust system they sold.

I typically run a couple of weeks out, I think I am at about a 4 week backlog right now.

d_adams
07-18-2015, 03:15 PM
Drivetrain is identical between RX and SX. 160-162 hp is the expected average, got that direct from Erik. The motor is certainly capable of 200+ hp at the wheel, but at great expense. I never asked specifically what was required to get it to that point, but that's what the WSBK bikes were making.

zviadi
07-18-2015, 04:36 PM
This is with the Dean Adams exhaust and a PC5

The schedule, which led me to this thing here:
456457458

Once again - I did not see the point in buying such ECU, except to lose 6 pounds muffler.
The graphs have advantages such modification is not, except for appearance and increased fuel consumption.
http://ebrforum.com/showthread.php?234-Exhaust-tips-and-tail-tidy-installed

Dean Adams different situation.

d_adams
07-18-2015, 04:42 PM
Mine is a loss of 17.7 lbs (stock is 25.75 lbs, mine is 8) along with a 14 hp gain in power. It's also louder.

zviadi
07-18-2015, 04:51 PM
Drivetrain is identical between RX and SX. 160-162 hp is the expected average, got that direct from Erik. The motor is certainly capable of 200+ hp at the wheel, but at great expense. I never asked specifically what was required to get it to that point, but that's what the WSBK bikes were making.

What is included in the kit - other camshafts, racing exhaust and ECU?

Plotter
07-18-2015, 06:23 PM
There is also a 3/4 exhaust from HMF Racing below.

https://www.hmfracing.com/manufacturers/buell/rx-1190/customize

Which IDSPD does an ECM for.

http://idspd.com/xcart/1190rx-HMF.html?category_id=30

Not sure if anybody has used them yet and can post some dyno runs with it installed.

Looks very nice though...

d_adams
07-18-2015, 06:34 PM
There is no kit to get the bike to WSBK levels that I'm aware of, but that doesn't mean it is non-existent. I certainly don't have the coin to get it, much less the skill level required to use it.


HMF is advertising a 7 hp gain and 5 ft/lbs torque. Mine has already made 14 over stock at an independent facility, I'll be tuning with the idspd kit in the coming weeks to see what else I can squeeze out of it.

Plotter
07-18-2015, 06:38 PM
That will be nice to see...

Did you ever get those pics with your exhaust on with the plastics re-installed?

I plan on purchasing one of these exhausts soon...

that HMF exhaust is huge... in the pictures it isn't using the exhaust hanger surprisingly, but it looks just a big as the stock... just without the first muffler...

Maybe those guys at IDSPD can provide an ECM for your exhaust, like they are doing with the HMF, or is the secondary muffler delete basically what yours is doing?

zviadi
07-19-2015, 02:29 AM
I would be interested in aftermarket exhaust, while increasing power and torque at low and medium rpm.

zviadi
07-19-2015, 02:35 AM
Mine is a loss of 17.7 lbs (stock is 25.75 lbs, mine is 8) along with a 14 hp gain in power. It's also louder.

The noise level is not measured?

d_adams
07-19-2015, 07:34 AM
I have the full programmable ecm and widebands on the way, I'll be tuning it myself. No pics, someone talked me out of my prototype and PC-V this past week, it's already been delivered. I'll be building 4 more in the next week or so, I'll put one on and get pics of it when I get one done.

Sound (db) levels are similar to the 1125 exhaust systems I make, so roughly 98-99 db at idle and 110+ at 4500 rpm. Ear plugs are recommended, it's a race exhaust.

d_adams
07-19-2015, 02:56 PM
Found some pics. Early build, tip is angled up a little more than what I do with it now. Also has a radius outlet, not an option on the 1190 RS/RX/SX, straight outlet only.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/oY1NWjZS7Bim5Sx9kFaZcv7NlTCFun6OBB3EyvyUGp0=w1278-h958-no

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/u8wERx6HtjaFRc5bKc9RfEVm9-vdemtVv8PnFNRYz3A=w1278-h958-no

Plotter
07-19-2015, 05:23 PM
Excellent photos...

noone1569
07-20-2015, 09:03 AM
mmmm I can't wait, Dean.

noone1569
07-22-2015, 07:19 AM
You all really need tech specs. This improve the bike soooo much especially given how slick the fairings and seat are from the factory.

463

464

465

And with the old frame design. I worked with Dean at Tech Spec to make the new design which is above. Much better IMO.

466

Plotter
07-22-2015, 08:33 PM
How much?

buell-fan
07-22-2015, 10:10 PM
Those are sweet. Are they made down in Indy?

noone1569
07-23-2015, 08:05 AM
Na not in Indy, made by Tech Spec in Nevada.

http://techspec-usa.com/magento/

I'm not sure what their cost is on these, but its in line with every other tech spec kit. The 1125 kit is 89$ so I'm sure this is close to that price. If anyone is interested, I can pass along the email for the person in charge of making these kits.

Ryan

AClausing
07-23-2015, 09:42 AM
Nooone1569,

I would love the contact information for these. Thanks!

Ace117
07-23-2015, 09:51 AM
Nooone1569 I too would like the contact information, I cant stand sliding around on my bike on decel. Thanks!

noone1569
07-23-2015, 01:46 PM
Awesome. I sent an email to my guy at Tech Spec to see how they wanted to handle this since they aren't on the website!

buell-fan
07-23-2015, 05:34 PM
Awesome. I sent an email to my guy at Tech Spec to see how they wanted to handle this since they aren't on the website!

Very cool of you! Let us know what you come up with.

Blwngto
07-28-2015, 10:19 PM
Any news on these? Or can you pass along the contact info to me. Thanks

noone1569
07-29-2015, 07:45 AM
Yep! They emailed me back this morning. For Tech Specs, email: CustomerService@TechSpec-usa.com Melissa is the lady that will respond to you. She's awesome to deal with. Feel free to throw my name in there as a referral, Ryan.