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Hughlysses
11-17-2016, 12:33 PM
This website's undergone a major refresh. New features include more info on the Black Lightning and an apparel store:

www.erikbuellracing.com

zviadi
11-17-2016, 01:39 PM
Where AX?

According to the physic laws no other vehicle on the standard tires on street roads can accelerate faster 2.83 seconds to 60 mph. Regardless of its power.
For Black Lightning claimed 2.4 seconds. Someone is lying - physic or marketing department.

Mike
11-17-2016, 02:06 PM
Mmmm...
I've heard these physics claims most of my life.

Traction depends on WAYY...TOO many things.

What's a "standard" road surface?
What's a "standard" street tire? (shape, compound, belt design, etc.)
How does the clutch work, (slipper, adjustable).

All of these things...including the weather have an effect on traction.

Mike

zviadi
11-17-2016, 02:11 PM
Power does not matter without a proper coefficient of adhesion of tires on road surface and using special aerodynamics (F1 or top-fuel dragsters).
I don't see this tires and aerodynamics in any series bike or car. But I see beautiful figures in technical data...
It is impossible to accelerate faster than 1 G-force - is just 2.83 from 0 to 60 mph with IDEAL start and road condition.
MotoGP prototypes are accelerated to 60 mph in 2.3-2.5 seconds - they are much more powerful than any serial motorcycle, they use very soft tires and the tracksurface not like concrete or asphalt.

Hughlysses
11-17-2016, 02:32 PM
Where AX?

I would guess it has been shelved for the immediate future. Looks like the next new model will be a sub-$10k model for 2018.

Led Boots
11-18-2016, 09:03 AM
Where AX?

According to the physic laws no other vehicle on the standard tires on street roads can accelerate faster 2.83 seconds to 60 mph. Regardless of its power.
For Black Lightning claimed 2.4 seconds. Someone is lying - physic or marketing department.

Apparently, the 2002 Hayabusa and 2006 GSX-R1000 are the only two production bikes the break the 2.4 second 0-60 barrier
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fastest_production_motorcycles_by_accelera tion

Interesting note in that article, the 2.83 second threshold you mention is explained as follows:
"an object in free fall (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_fall), without any air resistance, near the Earth's surface accelerates from 0–100 km/h in 2.83 seconds and from 0–60 mph in 2.73 seconds"

At any rate, as much as I'd like to see the 1190AX come to fruition, the improved ergonomics of the Black Lightning do have me (and my old back) intrigued.

Sparky
11-18-2016, 02:24 PM
Erik (with a big grin) mentioned in a tech talk at the newest dealer in Redlands, CA on Wednesday that the Black Lightning with its lower CG w/rider and gearing can out accelerate the other EBRs from a dead stop.

zviadi
11-19-2016, 06:14 AM
Apparently, the 2002 Hayabusa and 2006 GSX-R1000 are the only two production bikes the break the 2.4 second 0-60 barrier
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fastest_production_motorcycles_by_accelera tion


Wikipedia often write nonsense. Anyone can write an article in Wikipedia and to make any link.
I argued about it with russian track days amateur and drag racing amateur. These people ride in group A.
They told me about the identity completely unrealistic acceleration up to 60 mph and top speed. I always answered them one - put on their bikes official transponders and see your maximum acceleration and top speed. And no mobile apps for smartphones - they're lying. I'm said: if the maximum acceleration will be faster than 1G - we go to the bar at my expense. Those wishing to do so has not yet been found)))

Perhaps to drag strip with glue on the super soft slicks serial high-power motorcycles come from 2,83 to 60 MPH. But not with stock tires and ordinary road surfaces.

Hughlysses
11-19-2016, 12:10 PM
Here are a few photos from yesterday's reveal at the Long Beach, CA International Motorcycle Show:

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New optional "comfort" seat by Corbin:
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Scott
11-19-2016, 07:30 PM
:thumb: I can't get enough of the Black Lightning (hoping they're going to have a White Lightning with some unique features at some point).

Has there been any other news out of the show? The press release (and some recent comments from Erik) indicated we might be seeing some 'prototypes' of upcoming models.

I'm guessing they might be saving those for later shows so they can feature the Black Lightning this weekend, but I'm curious if any other information had come out yet.

zviadi
11-20-2016, 04:46 AM
What is the retail price of Black Lightning and SX?

d_adams
11-20-2016, 08:50 AM
Best guess, $12999 or $13999

zviadi
11-20-2016, 09:03 AM
How much are bikes like CBR600RR or ZX-6R?

1313
11-20-2016, 10:24 AM
Why guess when facts are available?
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zviadi
11-20-2016, 01:06 PM
Nice prices!
For this money in Russia is not to buy even 600-cc jap sportbike. My friend bought Husqvarna 701 to dealer for 14500$.

Hughlysses
11-20-2016, 03:20 PM
For comparison, the KTM 1290 Superduke lists for $17399 US, over $3000 more.

Ed / AF1 Racing
11-21-2016, 02:16 PM
It's all relative....

we have new 2016 Aprilia Tuono 1100 RR on sale for $12699, and Tuono 1100 Factories with Ohlins for $15499. ABS, TC, WC, LC, QS all standard. Turn-by-turn traction control and wheelie control as an option for race use.

zviadi
11-21-2016, 03:39 PM
IMHO, EBR interesting than Tuono. His V2 engine, more torque, more power and lack of electronic systems.
I'm specifically looking bike with V2 without electronics and ABS.